1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,000 This is Hart Morgan and this is Program PM. 2 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:47,280 I'm not very obedient and not very servile either but Bob Roeb is long here and is going 3 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:52,920 to be servile to the extent of answering your questions along with Earl Neff, our ufology 4 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:53,920 investigators. 5 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:59,040 Now we thought we would kind of set the stage for things tonight with that I call it space 6 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:04,880 type music because as I understand it there has been a space setting and we'll get into 7 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:06,240 that in just a moment. 8 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,720 First let me ask is always do anything new in the way of outer spaceology? 9 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,040 Earl, how's it been going? 10 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,400 Well I learned of something today that looked pretty good and when I checked it out I found 11 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:25,320 it was one of those frauds, phonies, the hoaxes, a party called the report center and from 12 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:29,000 all appearances it was on the level and then I double checked it and found the whole thing 13 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,000 was a fraud. 14 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,800 So those are the things you must be very careful of and we always go to great trouble 15 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,680 to check them in double. 16 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,360 You don't just accept it, don't take it all. 17 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,760 Someone says, I saw something purple up there, you do bother checking it out. 18 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,760 Right, this was just a crackpot. 19 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:50,200 Bob, well as a matter of fact a number of things have come by our way, some very delightful 20 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:55,160 area diet informed letters have been sent to us as most of them, in fact just about 21 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,760 all of them always are. 22 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,600 We have, I want to thank first of all an armed forces man who feels that secrecy must be 23 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,120 preserved if the objects are of the United States military nature. 24 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:07,600 He had a good point in that letter. 25 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,680 Yes, that was an excellent point of course his name is not to be mentioned as he requested. 26 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:17,240 I wish also to thank John Spanton who wrote us, he is near Buffalo and listening this 27 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:18,240 evening. 28 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:23,440 Hello to him, we appreciate your very technical letter and I will correspond with you as you 29 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,440 suggested and hope in there. 30 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:31,400 I want to thank also the Reverend Carlos Sparks from Tennessee and so far as a citizens band 31 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,840 at network relating to UFO our range would be far too short and of course the time element 32 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:42,360 of talking between stations would be restricted to five minutes which just wouldn't be enough. 33 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:47,080 I think Bob this brings up a very big point that I've been noticing the past few weeks 34 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:52,120 and that is that the mail that we've been getting on this UFO round table on program 35 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:58,440 PM has been coming in I think from much farther afield than anything that I've experienced 36 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,800 before on PM during the course of the last year and a half. 37 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:06,360 I mean people have been commenting about and writing us their comments on the UFO round 38 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,120 table from all over the South, from all over New York Pennsylvania so wherever you are 39 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,480 listening believe me we're interested in not only the fact that you are listening but also 40 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,400 in your reaction to the program. 41 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,040 You apologize you round table on program PM let us hear from you wherever you are. 42 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,560 We have Marjith Malaska have we? 43 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,080 No, that's one that we've missed although we've heard most of this side of the United 44 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,080 States. 45 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:28,080 I wonder if we beam up that way. 46 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,080 Earl, do you have some more? 47 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,440 Well I wish to thank those who sent me season's greetings. 48 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:39,760 Quite a few mentioned that they're interested in the series of programs that KYW has been 49 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,280 putting on here. 50 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:46,880 And I'd personally like to thank you Harve and KYW for permitting Bob and myself to tell 51 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,920 this listening audience and it certainly is a great listening audience from judging from 52 00:03:51,920 --> 00:04:00,040 the response and from the areas from which we hear for permitting us to put on this series 53 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,920 of what we believe is a very important subject of UFOs on identified flying objects. 54 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:05,920 I received a... 55 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:11,560 Earl, let me just comment because this being the beginning of the new year I think that 56 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:18,800 I would be lacking in my duties if I didn't go above and beyond something we've been 57 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,280 doing all of the fellows here on KYW have been wishing everybody out there a happy new 58 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:24,280 year and all. 59 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:27,720 I think we should go beyond that especially on this program. 60 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:34,600 Everybody here, happy new year and to all of you up there, if you are out there, we do 61 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:35,880 wish you a happy new year. 62 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,000 Hello, I wonder if they have the same calendar. 63 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Well, I don't know. 64 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,240 Anyway, they're doing it down here. 65 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:46,280 Let me check this though before we go too much further. 66 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:47,280 We have some calls on the line. 67 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:52,600 I'd like to take one or two of those and then we're going to explore this unidentified flying 68 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,200 object that was cited yesterday. 69 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,920 I will tell you more about that in just a moment but first let's do have a couple of 70 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:57,920 questions here. 71 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:58,920 What's yours please? 72 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,760 John, go ahead. 73 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:10,400 Professor Charles A. Meaney in a 1956 article published by the Flying Salsa Review. 74 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,760 These people with the S questions by Golly, they've got sources, haven't they? 75 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:14,760 That's excellent. 76 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:21,040 I can't hear you. 77 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:30,960 The appeal to readers, to researchers for an analysis of angel hair. 78 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,920 Has any definite analysis been carried out to our knowledge? 79 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,920 Go ahead. 80 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:44,160 And if not, in a future recurrence, would it not be possible to get some of this substance 81 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:49,000 called angel hair into a test tube before it dissolves and find out what it's all about? 82 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Let's find out. 83 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,000 We've talked about angel hair before. 84 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Any comments on that? 85 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,880 Charles Meaney is the professor at Defiance College as I think we've mentioned before 86 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:56,880 on the air. 87 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,360 I'd like to get him on the program by the way. 88 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:03,920 I'd like very much to call him some evening with your permission. 89 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:10,360 The angel hair has on numerous occasions been picked up and I remember one evening mentioning 90 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,680 a friend of mine some years ago had gotten some downstate. 91 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,920 That was when so much of it had been festooned from the wires, the telegraph wires and the 92 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:23,320 air force later said it was a certain spider that was working very hard in producing these 93 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:24,480 webs. 94 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:30,320 But the angel hair when it's collected doesn't last very long either in your hands or in 95 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:31,320 a bottle. 96 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:32,320 What is very long? 97 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:33,320 Pardon me? 98 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,320 What is very long? 99 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:40,720 Well it would only perhaps be just barely long enough to get it to a laboratory. 100 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,560 It does leave your hands green or anything it touches. 101 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:50,160 But the physicist told me that he thought it was ionized air. 102 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,160 Bob any comments on this? 103 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:57,000 This very well sums it up as Earl has explained my one source, Wilbert B. Smith, a physicist, 104 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,480 superintendent of communications in Canada on the board of transport has analyzed angel 105 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:06,640 hair or has had angel hair analyzed, let's put it this way, and he also has found it 106 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,520 to be ionized air. 107 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,040 This is the man that's going to create the seventh dimension or something. 108 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,040 He goes into about 12. 109 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,720 What was this little contraption that you showed me one time? 110 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,600 He was going to turn it around and create what? 111 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:25,000 Oh there was artificial gravity field generators and we can go into quite a lengthy discussion. 112 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,000 We did one. 113 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,000 We'll probably do it again on request. 114 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Okay, thank you for calling. 115 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,000 Let's take one more call. 116 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,040 Program PM, what's your question, please? 117 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:40,000 You're referring to Major Keel's book where he stated that the saucers were recorded on 118 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,000 radar. 119 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,720 They were recorded making 90 degree turns. 120 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,800 Go ahead. 121 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,160 At approximately 5 to 9,000 miles an hour. 122 00:07:52,160 --> 00:08:00,560 He was talking with a friend where you work and he said to make a 90 degree turn at the 123 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:05,240 speed that we mentioned 5,000 to 9,000 miles. 124 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,800 This would be enough pressure to split an atom. 125 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:15,800 Your question would be then if this is possible as stated, would there be an explosion if this 126 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,440 90 degree turn took place? 127 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:23,280 Go ahead. 128 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:30,960 And there'd be a force of approximately 16 million Gs, which is just not impossible for 129 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,640 any matter to survive something like that. 130 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,640 Do you like to find out about both these? 131 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,640 Let's find out. 132 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:45,440 I have seen on several occasions UFOs making 90 degree turns, not at the speeds you just 133 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:51,760 mentioned, but I do know that they do the impossible to us at least. 134 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:57,360 Dr. Herman Obert claimed that the reason they could do what they are doing is the fact that 135 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:02,720 they are not only moving themselves through space but with them around them. 136 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:09,240 They are surrounding themselves with these atmospheres, whatever you might wish to call 137 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,240 them. 138 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:15,480 In other words, you oftentimes do not even hear them because they're surrounded with 139 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,840 the best thing I can call it is atmosphere. 140 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,680 Creating their own atmosphere for the space to negate hours. 141 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:23,400 Negate hours is correct. 142 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:28,160 Would not then this atmosphere in turn, because that is made up of atoms, would not this atmosphere 143 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,200 in turn then be subject to this pressure? 144 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:38,240 This is a function of momentum, not a function of the atmosphere through which the object 145 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,240 itself is traversing. 146 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,520 Anything regardless whether it has its own atmospheric pressure or not, making a right 147 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:49,000 angle turn with relation to a gravitational field with relation to a linear trajectory 148 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,600 is going to experience tremendous change in momentum and a tremendous impact of momentum. 149 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:58,840 However, again, it has been suggested purely on a theoretical basis that it is the momentum 150 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,920 itself, the idea that to the saucer itself or the object itself there has been no change 151 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:04,920 in direction. 152 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:11,720 This again, the term field with relation to, well, that's probably one of the most abused 153 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,920 terms in the entire vernacular of UFO research is field. 154 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:20,400 Field indicates some invisible force mechanism surrounding. 155 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:25,840 It has been suggested then that the force fields that do surround UFOs possibly can produce 156 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,200 a cushioning effect in these right angle turns. 157 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:33,920 I can see a guy going through this and since the pressure would destroy that atmosphere 158 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,280 that he's carrying with him, zooming along, zoop zoop zoop, just lost our atmosphere, 159 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:38,680 I wasn't going to go back and pick it up. 160 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:45,240 But I might say this hard that explosions are by no means unknown in the field of UFOs 161 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:50,880 and it is entirely possible and conceivable that there are times when they do certain 162 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:57,280 things that like mentioned just on the phone that would cause the explosion because many 163 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:58,440 times they have exploded. 164 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:59,440 Let me check now. 165 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,440 Thank you very much for calling. 166 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:02,440 Very good question. 167 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:08,160 Let's talk now about this flying object that was sighted last night before we were on 168 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:09,160 completely out of time. 169 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,160 Bob, could you place that call? 170 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:12,160 Okay, we'll do. 171 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:17,920 And of course, as just a very brief review, this object was seen of course in the Ravenna 172 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:24,760 area last night approximately a little after 7.30 and the Ackon Beacon Journal had it reported. 173 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:30,360 K-Y-W carried immediately the report over radio on news and we're going to place the 174 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:31,360 call now then. 175 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,360 You're going to call George Popovich? 176 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,360 Use line 40 if you will, okay? 177 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:36,360 Okay. 178 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,360 Now what do you know about this thing that was sighted last night? 179 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,680 Well, George called, George Popovich, who by the way is the director of the Acron UFO 180 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:47,400 Research Committee and a very fine investigator has been for years. 181 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:48,400 Reliable? 182 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,400 Very, very reliable. 183 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:55,000 He called me at my home just before I left for the station tonight and I told him to 184 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,000 call here. 185 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,200 Well, he got the call through before I arrived. 186 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:05,960 But beyond what Bob just mentioned here from the news wires, I couldn't fill you in. 187 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:13,920 I do know that he is perhaps by now, that is, I mean, George is perhaps by now at the 188 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,720 home of the people who witnessed this. 189 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,560 Now George himself did not see the flying object. 190 00:12:18,560 --> 00:12:23,840 I do not believe so, but George, like the rest of us, frequently get the calls from 191 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,920 here, there and everywhere and I presume that's what happened in this case. 192 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:32,320 Incidentally, while we were waiting, might I say that I received an interesting letter 193 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:37,760 from a former Air Force man and I just spoke with him on the phone a moment ago and asked 194 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,800 if he objected to my using his name. 195 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:50,920 John Manick called, wrote me a short note and in this, with this note, he has this information 196 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,560 that I think is quite interesting. 197 00:12:53,560 --> 00:13:02,160 Paul Ziates of Emory Drive in Cleveland on the evening of December 1st, 1962, about 9.15 198 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:03,760 p.m. relates this. 199 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,080 A group of friends and myself were playing football in the backyards between Angle and 200 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,000 Grossie Drive. 201 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,960 As we were leaving, I saw the ground reflecting a very bright white light. 202 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,200 It looked as if someone had turned on a giant fluorescent light above us. 203 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,560 Suddenly I had a warm sensation, whether it was from the light or a reaction within my 204 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:26,080 body when I realized that the light might be extraterrestrial. 205 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:27,080 I do not know. 206 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,160 I turned around to see where the light was coming from. 207 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,440 I looked up and saw a bright flash of light. 208 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,560 It looked as if the object was moving across the sky and exploded. 209 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:40,160 From what I could make out, in the very short time I saw the light, it was moving north 210 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:41,880 to south over the eastern sky. 211 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,560 There was no sound whatsoever accompanying the light. 212 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:47,880 After the disappearance of the light, everything got dark again and there was no trace of any 213 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,840 object or debris falling from the light. 214 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:57,080 At the time that this report was made, a very detailed account of, by the way, has gone 215 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:03,000 to NiCAP in Washington, I received many other statements and I was watching TV at the time 216 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,440 and the TV was full of snow. 217 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,040 It never acted quite that badly and this was at a NASA man's home. 218 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,840 We were watching it. 219 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:17,560 So this then would seem to lead one to believe that there is something to this, a particular 220 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:18,560 sighting on December 1st, right? 221 00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:19,560 Yeah. 222 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:20,560 I have quite a few reports on it. 223 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,520 I hoped at the time to tell them, but time did not permit. 224 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:29,080 Okay, now let me knock another report in the teeth. 225 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:33,840 You've been getting a lot of calls, Earl has and Bob has, I know, about a report of a sighting 226 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:41,120 over Saskatchewan on the evening of December 24th that was a week ago this past Monday. 227 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,240 Now people said, well, it was done in all seriousness, no, like us, and yes, there was 228 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,600 a sighting of an unidentified flying object, December 24th reported on KYWTV. 229 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:54,800 Well, just to set the matter straight, this is true in a way, but since it's after, it's 230 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,760 almost 11 o'clock at night and I think most children are in bed, let's just report that 231 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,880 this was not the kind of UFO that we're concerned with on this program. 232 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,400 The report that Dick Goddard made was a true report. 233 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:09,320 There was an object over Saskatchewan headed toward the Cleveland area that night, but 234 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,720 it was nothing more than Santa Claus and his reindeer's. 235 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,840 And Dick Goddard in all seriousness, truthfully reported it. 236 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,280 And don't you ever try to tell Dick Goddard that there's not a Santa Claus or Easter Bunny 237 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:22,280 for that matter. 238 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,280 All right, now we're going to get this report. 239 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:25,280 Bob has all set up. 240 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:30,280 Yes, on the line right now, we have Mr. George Papowicz, whom we've already introduced a 241 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:31,280 moment ago. 242 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,280 He will introduce the gentleman who made this sighting as we pick up a line for him. 243 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,280 Okay, let me just check on George. 244 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:38,280 Yeah, this is Mark Morgan. 245 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,280 Just to get this straight, did you see the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the 246 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:42,280 car. 247 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:43,280 No, I'm only investigating. 248 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,280 You have the people there ready to talk to you. 249 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:46,280 Mr. Carl Rice. 250 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,280 Okay, go ahead. 251 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:48,280 We'll just listen to you then. 252 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,280 Um, for all of us, are am I on? 253 00:15:52,280 --> 00:16:01,280 Well, I have with me tonight, Mr. Carl Rice, that he and his wife and two other persons 254 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,280 that observed what I have labeled as a UFO. 255 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:10,280 And this occurred last evening, uh, approximately around 6pm at the Revano, Ohio. 256 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:16,280 So, uh, I would like to have you talk with Mr. Carl Rice, one of the observers. 257 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,280 Well, Mr. Rice. 258 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:19,280 Hello. 259 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,280 Mr. Rice, could you describe in detail just exactly what you saw? 260 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,280 Now, what time was this again, you said? 261 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,280 About, maybe 10 minutes and 6. 262 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,280 10 minutes and 6. 263 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:28,280 Yes, sir. 264 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:29,280 And what did you see? 265 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:30,280 Well, I saw bright light. 266 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:31,280 There was a family still. 267 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:32,280 There wasn't true bright. 268 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,280 There was like a snow, well, one like an old-fashioned light bulb. 269 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,280 And, uh, it's just still in there. 270 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:43,280 Just going to my employees' home up to Rosemarie, about a right there, half a mile, 271 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,280 off the cross-highway, 44. 272 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,280 And we got closer to it. 273 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,280 It's still, it's still a standing still. 274 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,280 And, uh, then the light went off. 275 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,280 Then, uh, this is light came back on again. 276 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,280 Went out again. 277 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,280 And how long did this stand still like that? 278 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:06,280 Well, approximately, I'd say about 15 minutes or so. 279 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,280 And, uh, when it came back on, 280 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,280 what we did come back in was like a trick test. 281 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,280 And red light came on, and it was like, maybe 6,000. 282 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,280 And I could see an expression of shape. 283 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,280 And it's made, uh, when it was like a circle, 284 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:24,280 it was like a quick turn and it was back, uh, with the southeast. 285 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,280 And this turned from yellow in the beginning to red later, right? 286 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:29,280 Yes. 287 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,280 Here is the percentage of light that I can make out. 288 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,280 Is this conceivable? 289 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,280 This is at Reveyes. 290 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,280 Is it fairly hilly around there? 291 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:37,280 Are there hilly areas? 292 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,280 Well, I mean, right where I am, 293 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:40,280 there's plenty of them on top. 294 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,280 There's a lot of big yellow, but I'm glad to see a graded site. 295 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:44,280 My thank you, this is. 296 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,280 And I'm just asking you that, uh, in the realm of conceivability, 297 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,280 is it conceivable that this could have been what you saw over there, 298 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,280 uh, headlights, parts of where, 299 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,280 and then this would give the yellow effect through a, 300 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,280 hey, I was kind of foggy last night, 301 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:57,280 uh, when I was driving through it. 302 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,280 And then later, the car may have turned around, 303 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,280 backed up and gone off in a direction 304 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,280 which would have filled into their tail lights. 305 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:04,280 Is this possible? 306 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:05,280 No, this is, this is in the air. 307 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,280 This is rather without very yet. 308 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,280 But couldn't have been on the Fair Hill somewhere. 309 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:10,280 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 310 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,280 I mean, uh, who have you reported this to? 311 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,280 Have you reported to the Air Force? 312 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,280 Uh, no, I have reported it to the, uh, 313 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,280 right this day and, uh, 314 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,280 there's been a new report for, uh, 315 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:21,280 I've been to the New Journal. 316 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,280 All right, uh, right now, let me, 317 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:24,280 because I know that, uh, Bob Revenall- 318 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,280 and I'll never probably have some questions that, uh, 319 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,280 of, uh, investigating nature that they would like to ask. 320 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,280 So let me turn you over right now to Bob Rowe 321 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,280 for any questions that, uh, he might have. 322 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,280 Oh. 323 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:35,280 Mr. Ways? 324 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:36,280 Okay, John. 325 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:37,280 Good evening, Mr. Ways. 326 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,280 Oh. 327 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,280 Okay, why, uh, this is, 328 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,280 the problem is, is how much, uh, overhead, 329 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,280 for example, that this thing, you know, 330 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:46,280 did it, uh, 331 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,280 the trajectory immediately overhater? 332 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:49,280 Is it pretty much in the horizon? 333 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,280 Well, I was, uh, 334 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,280 I thought we're here to work, 335 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,280 we're trying to make it turn, you know. 336 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:56,280 It was just about overhead. 337 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:57,280 Well, that was real loud. 338 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,280 Everything being done here by a hill. 339 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,280 Let's set it up for a break. 340 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,280 No, no, no, no, no, it was, uh, 341 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:02,280 did you hear any noise? 342 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,280 Not at full length of any time. 343 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,280 Oh, okay. 344 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,280 Did you notice any interference with any radio, 345 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,280 any lighting, uh, anything like that? 346 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,280 No, we haven't seen the influence of all kinds of things. 347 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,280 At the trailer break, uh, 348 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,280 but nothing undue, nothing unusual 349 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,280 is an actual physical effect on the noise, is it right? 350 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:20,280 Nothing. 351 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,280 Okay, hang on, Rollup, that's this over now to Earl Ness. 352 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:24,280 Nope. 353 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:26,280 Good day, Mr. Rice. 354 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:27,280 Yeah. 355 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,280 That was Earl Ness speaking. 356 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:29,280 Uh, Bob, pretty much covered it. 357 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,280 I did want to ask you one question, however. 358 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,280 Uh, was there a pulsation, did you, uh, 359 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:35,280 did you notice? 360 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:36,280 A what? 361 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,280 A pulsation of light. 362 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,280 Did the light seem to pulse? 363 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,280 No, no. 364 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:42,280 Pulsate? 365 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:43,280 It was constant? 366 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:44,280 It was constant. 367 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:45,280 It was constant? 368 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:46,280 Yes. 369 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,280 My seat. 370 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:48,280 Um, 371 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,280 that was red and, uh, white light. 372 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,280 Uh, the red down at the upper part, perhaps? 373 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:55,280 Well, the white light went out, 374 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:56,280 seeing the red, seeing the red, 375 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:57,280 seeing the red light, and that's all. 376 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:58,280 I see it. 377 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,280 In other words, it interchanged. 378 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:00,280 Okay. 379 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,280 Thank you very much. 380 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,280 I'm going to turn you back to Hard Morgan. 381 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:03,280 All right. 382 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,280 Mr. Rice, uh, this makes me look like a lawyer, 383 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,280 I talk, but were there any corroborating witnesses on this? 384 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:10,280 Did anyone see it with you? 385 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,280 Well, uh, one of my, 386 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,280 one of my employees, one of my, 387 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,280 that's a fine, verbal, on-wit thing after I have a phone 388 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,280 with a guy who I just got to see about that, 389 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,280 he was alone with me, 390 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,280 and then joined the council, 391 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,280 which was a long-wit meeting with one of my employees. 392 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,280 And, uh, it's been through people, so it seems, 393 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,280 and you all agree on what you saw? 394 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,280 And my wife thought from the window, 395 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:31,280 what all she saw was a white light, 396 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,280 and she didn't seem to sense the truth, 397 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:34,280 she thought it was a normal bright star, 398 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,280 with seven figures red. 399 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,280 Is that a fairly popular area out there? 400 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,280 Well, it was a bright star last night. 401 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,280 No, I think it's fairly popular with people out there. 402 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:44,280 Oh, yes. 403 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,280 Have you heard of anybody else, also, 404 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:47,280 witness, singer, sonon? 405 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,280 No, I haven't. I've read. 406 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,280 Well, perhaps someone's hearing it, 407 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,280 hearing us talk about it tonight, has assumed that, 408 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,280 and I hope it's not the power of suggestion working on them. 409 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,280 Uh, if you have, call us at 241-5637, 410 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,280 we'd like to, uh, find out about it. 411 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,280 We have time to get to your call before the program is off the air. 412 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,280 So, now, do you intend to tell the Air Force about this, Mr. Rice? 413 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,280 Well, I don't know, and I should have known. 414 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,280 Uh, if you do, and I wish you would, 415 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,280 would you let us get back with you next week again, 416 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,280 and find out what their reaction has been to your report? 417 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,280 What's your report? 418 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:20,280 Would you do that? 419 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,280 And would you let the Air Force know about it then? 420 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,280 Uh, I'll try. 421 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,280 Okay, uh, let me ask, uh, Errol, Bob, 422 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,280 who should you call at the Air Force to notify them about this, 423 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,280 uh, where would be the nearest place to call? 424 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,280 Well, right, Patterson, and Wade, 425 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:31,280 would be the one to do the same. 426 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,280 Right, Patterson would be your best, yes. 427 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:33,280 Yeah, right. 428 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,280 Either Major, uh, Lieutenant Colonel Green, 429 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:36,280 perhaps would be the better man. 430 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,280 Well, I'll tell the gentlemen we talked to. 431 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,280 Uh, I've been friend, I beg your pardon, 432 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,280 our Colonel Green. 433 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:42,280 Colonel Green are... 434 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,280 Which one were you on the program that time? 435 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,280 That was Fran, I believe. 436 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,280 Fran, yes. 437 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:47,280 All right, and I'll call Lieutenant Colonel Fran 438 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,280 at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. 439 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:50,280 Lieutenant Colonel Fran. 440 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,280 Okay. 441 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:52,280 Well, that's in Dayton, 442 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,280 and I'd be very interested to find out, uh, his comments. 443 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,280 All right? 444 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,280 Uh, what's the name, please? 445 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,280 Lieutenant Colonel Fran. 446 00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,280 Fran? 447 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:00,280 Fran, yes. 448 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,280 At Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. 449 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,280 Right. 450 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,280 That's Dan Dayton. 451 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,280 Okay? 452 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:06,280 Thank you very much, Mr. Rice. 453 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,280 Appreciate your comments. 454 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:08,280 Okay. 455 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,280 I'll call you Apology Around Table. 456 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:11,280 All right. 457 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,280 Well, I'd like to find out more about that. 458 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,280 Very good. 459 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,280 Probably by next week we'll have, uh, quite a beauty to present on the air 460 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,280 and whatever happens on this air. 461 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:19,280 Yeah. 462 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,280 I'm looking forward to the information coming in. 463 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:21,280 Maybe we can, uh, get something tonight. 464 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,280 Two four one five six three seven, 465 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,280 if anyone has, uh, heard about that. 466 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,280 Let me take, uh, one more, uh, telephone question. 467 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,280 You know, these people have been hanging on very closely. 468 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:30,280 Can you stand by, please? 469 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,280 Program PM, this is the Apology Around Table. 470 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,280 What's your question, please? 471 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,280 What's your question? 472 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,280 Go ahead. 473 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:41,280 Why won't the Air Force tell all they know? 474 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:46,280 And if it's from a higher kind of human being, 475 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:51,280 why won't somebody let the public know? 476 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,280 Well, I think this, this is a question that really can't be answered. 477 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,280 So I won't present it to our, uh, investigators here. 478 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:57,280 We've gone to it before. 479 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,280 We don't know why. 480 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,280 Um, there are those that say the Air Force is telling all that they do know. 481 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,280 Most people, certainly, uh, those, uh, Bob and Earl, 482 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,280 I don't think agree with that. 483 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,280 But I'll keep it calling anyway. 484 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:12,280 Program PM, your question, please. 485 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:18,280 Are there any special times when the UFOs are sighted in this area? 486 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,280 Has this been mostly a night? 487 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,280 No, the only thing I can say there is that night, naturally, 488 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,280 anything that's bright in the sky is going to be more visible 489 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,280 than it is in the daytime. 490 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,280 But actually, as far as sightings are concerned, 491 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,280 I have seen as many in the daytime as I have at night, 492 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,280 and I think that would be, uh, universally accepted. 493 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,280 Let me put a twist on this question. 494 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,280 Are there more sightings when the moon is full? 495 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,280 Nah. 496 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,280 You're going to wear a little? 497 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,280 I'm sorry. 498 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,280 I'm sorry. 499 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:44,280 Is there other? 500 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,280 You know, you talk to bartenders and you will say, 501 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,280 oh boy, I'd read those full moon nights. 502 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,280 You got some real weirdos in here. 503 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,280 Well, actually, a full moon night is not the best night to look for UFOs, 504 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,280 because it's too bright. 505 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,280 There's too much glare, the same light. 506 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,280 Yes. 507 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,280 I'd much rather look on a, on a night when there is not a full moon. 508 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,280 There are other things to do on a full moon night. 509 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,280 The actual time of day has little, little to do with it, though, 510 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,280 except that night you can see the night. 511 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,280 Okay. 512 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,280 Thank you for calling. 513 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,280 And we just have a couple minutes left. 514 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,280 Earl, I think there's something you wanted to comment on. 515 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,280 Well, I wanted to say that they're, uh, 516 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,280 of getting back to the letters and comments. 517 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:21,280 Uh, a Doug Kenny, who was traveling in Pennsylvania in the mountain, 518 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,280 said that on his car radio, he's catching last week's broadcast very clearly. 519 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,280 And, um, and then I received a letter. 520 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,280 I don't know how these people get my name or a correct address, 521 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:36,280 but I guess to me from a Timothy Green Beckley from New Brunswick, New Jersey. 522 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,280 And he starts, but I'll just read this first line. 523 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,280 Oh, Dyrsnef, this is Justice, short letter. 524 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,280 Let you know I enjoyed very much listening to you on KYW's PM show last night. 525 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,280 And then he writes this full letter, which is very interesting. 526 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:54,280 Uh, another letter I received from a Bill Engel, um, 527 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,280 says, I heard your broadcast and was impressed with the arguments you gave 528 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,280 on behalf of the existence of flying saucers. 529 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,280 I haven't given much thought to them since the fur died down. 530 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,280 I presume he means back in, uh, 47. 531 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:09,280 Uh, I have read some of the major KYW's writings and I have an open mind on the subject. 532 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,280 There has been much confusion involved with the reports of unidentified objects. 533 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:18,280 Every time a sighting is made, there is an instant clamoring of ridicule and denials. 534 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:24,280 It has seemed to me that the extent to which the Dyrirs go to cast doubt on the reports adds credence to the claims. 535 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,280 I'm not intelligent enough to understand complex matters, 536 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,280 so I've taken a sort of agnostic stand. 537 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,280 I don't know for sure. 538 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,280 Therefore, I can form no opinion until I find out. 539 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,280 And, um, so on and so forth and signs that Bill Engel. 540 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,280 We're just about out of time now. 541 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,280 Unfortunately, this is always the case. 542 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,280 Bob, any final comments? 543 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,280 Yes, I'd like to wish some fellows in Toledo, Phil or Bansky's group, 544 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,280 best of luck in their new UFO organization. 545 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,280 Uh, I'd have some other, uh, many other questions, 546 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,280 which I have been unable to get to. 547 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:57,280 Uh, let me sum up by saying, uh, that we will answer these questions next week on the air 548 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,280 that were directed, uh, personally to our group. 549 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,280 Plus the fact that, naturally, here at 241-5637, 550 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:09,280 um, both Earl and myself will be very happy to answer questions as they come in after program time. 551 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:14,280 We'll both be here next week, uh, to follow up on this very recent UFO sighting, 552 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,280 as well as some more of the letters, which I'm sure will continue to come in. 553 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,280 Don't forget that number is 241-5637. 554 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,280 You can still call and you can still get answers. 555 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,280 Uh, Bob and Earl will both stick around to answer those questions for you. 556 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,280 Thank you very much, Bob, Grove, Ann or Olaf, for joining me again on PM's U-Fology Roundtable. 557 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,280 Right back again at the same time.